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Post by rainforest on Apr 4, 2008 7:36:15 GMT -10
The theory of what species were involved to produce Miranda has always been a controversial issue. The foremost guess of what it might be was a cross between N. maxima and Mixta. Crosses between maxima and Mixta expresses a different looking plant. This is N. maxima x Mixta. N. Mirandas have a very wide flared peristome. Hybrids resulting from first generation northiana hybrids usually do not show a flaring peristome unless one of the other parent plant had one to begin with (i.e. veitchii). Compare this N. Miranda lower pitcher for comparison Observing Miranda's uppers, one could easily see N. maxima features in it. Yet the foliage is distinctively northiana in appearance and one could easily see maxima in the coloration of the lowers. I do have my idea of this particular hybrid's ancestry. What if N. northiana used was either an amphidiploid or even tetraploid? Whoever is well versed in genetics might help explain the theory of this concept. If N. northiana had double the chromosomes, could more of its (usually recessive) features dominate in a first generation hybrid? Let's hear your thought on this or your theory! Michael
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Post by rainforest on Apr 19, 2008 9:49:01 GMT -10
Would it be too far-fetched to say that N. Miranda might even have some veitchii in there somewhere? For example N. Mixta x Tiveyi, N. maxima x Tiveyi, N. maxima x Dyeriana.
Anyone wants to comment on this?
M
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zero
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Post by zero on Oct 16, 2008 0:28:41 GMT -10
whoever made the hybrid knew what they were doing. this nep makes huge pitchures here in maine.
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kentosaurs
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Post by kentosaurs on Oct 16, 2008 4:25:00 GMT -10
Hi Zero Wow nice N miranda.....i actually opened a new thread in another forum based of this forum.I don't get why does this soo common plant has no history of its hybrid parents. This is the forumhttp://pitcherplants.proboards34.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=6616 forum.petpitcher.com/showthread.php?t=1352Well the thread does relate back to this thread.And also Zero N miranda pitchers can easily get pitchers much much bigger than yours..They are truly full of potential...and yet hardly anyone sees the beauty in them because they are too common.They are almost as common as N ventrata.Just a question how did you get your N miranda to have leaves as red as yours?? Ken
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Post by rainforest on Oct 16, 2008 7:49:50 GMT -10
I have five different clones of N. Miranda with one of them being female. I goy mine when Deroos first experimentally was evaluating clones for massed market. Their first clone, was their best one with the huge pitchers nicely flared red peristome and speckled pitcher. Another clone, more tubular, elongated with narrower peristome in deep dark colors. A third with somewhat smaller pitchers and more solid dark blotching is female, a fourth with very bronzy foliage and somewhat medium dark pitchers and another clone closer looking to a maxima but of good size. This clone has never flowered.
All clones are labeled N. Miranda.
M
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Robiii
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Post by Robiii on Oct 16, 2008 23:05:37 GMT -10
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dicon
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Post by dicon on Nov 1, 2008 11:54:42 GMT -10
I always understood Miranda to be N. Mixta x N maxima not the reverse. This would explain the difference fron your first pics Michael. My Miranda looks like Rob's "true" Miranda above and came from Holland to the UK about 5 years ago. (it shows bronzy leaves and is male)
Matt
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