Post by phissionkorps on Apr 26, 2008 11:22:01 GMT -10
I would find it interesting at the very least if the appendage did not develop until much later. As Michael noted, I've got bicals with 1/4" pitchers that have visible fangs. Maxima also develops its appendage at a small state, does it not?
Even N. bicals on a very very tiny pitcher has the fangs showing.
Well, in case of N. bicalcarata, the appendages come from the peristome, in this case, it's from the lid itself. I also think that it will develop latter, when the plant is much bigger. But what worries me the most is the total absence of the spur...
Post by rainforest on Apr 26, 2008 15:56:26 GMT -10
I imagine that the seed originals and tc lots originated from the same seed pod. If not then this is a good step in the right direction. But I would believe that these are all from the same seed pod since this species is not easily come by. I gave the example of N. izumiae because the leaves of the plant shown resembles the foliage of N. izumiae to what I recall it having. I'm not saying tat this plant is obviously N. izumiae, but one must consider the possibility of it being N. izumiae and perhaps N. lingulata x izumiae. From what I have read, N. izumiae is common in many groups of other species. It occurs frequently with N. jacuelineae and thus hybrids of N. jacquelineae and izumiae are common. Perhaps N. izumiae also crosses paths with N. lingulata and grows side by side, with perhaps hybrids of each. If the "tongue" appendage does occur later in life, this should be a noted trait among its seedlings. Even N. edwardsiana resembles edwardsiana when teeny.
My plant is one of BE's original seedlings, I believe Osmosis's plant is from the same import.
So, on to a few of my random musings
Such jacquelineae x izumiae as I've seen are very easy to distinguish from pure izumiae. For no very good reason I believe the same might be true for jamban x lingulata.
If 'Species 2' appears close to rhombicaulis it presumably has a spur , therefore a 'Species B' x lingulata hybrid ought to have a spur too.
There's no way my plant could be a jamban x 'Species B' cross.
Which leaves the 'bees flying 2 klicks' hypothesis , which is all well and good except that according to Clarke Neps are usually pollinated by flies, wasps or butterflies. In his 'Neps of Sumatra' a paper is quoted as saying '(various insects and)...bees, do not appear to be effective pollinators'. So we need more info on how far foreign forest flower-fertilizing flies fly...
Post by phissionkorps on Apr 27, 2008 11:42:12 GMT -10
I've seen lots of photos of bees and nep flowers, but not really anything else with them. I wouldn't imagine flies to be very effective, since (most) species flowers don't smell horrible.
Wasps will also fly almost as far as the bees will, so that's a definite possibility. Pollen could have gotten onto the flowers by a number of mechanisms. Free-floating pollen from orchids has been found 2km straight up....
Hi Dave and Tony, I've grown mine since April 07 (seed grown). Whlst somewhat smaller than yours, my plants pitchers do have spurs. One also has a "toungue".....but the stupid thing is on the top of the lid !! here's hoping the pictures load up. Doh!
Nice to see another specimen, Matt Mine have been putting on great leaf growth in the last few months, and should have some new and hopefully more mature pitchers to show for it in another month or so. For now, nothing I have seen yet shows either a spur of any kind, or the tongue (up or down).
Can anyone give me location details for N.lingulata, I need altitude and lattitude info if poss. (my highland setup enables me to help place plants in their favoured conditions based upon the above info)