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Post by sockhom on Dec 31, 2009 1:02:33 GMT -10
Hi , Many plants, coming from Indochina (Thailand, Vietnam, Cambodia and Lao) are sold as N. thorelii. The true N. thorelii is not in cultivation. You either grow N. smilesii (formerly N. anamensis), N. kampotiana, N. bokorensis or some undescribed species, or even hybrids between all these similar species. They are more or less all species with linear-lanceolate leaves with clasping base and reddish pitchers. If you want to have an ID (or, at least, a surmise of ID), INSIST on asking the location of your plant. If you want to know more about the Indochinese Nepenthes and the " thorelii complex", please check the following thread: lhnn.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=ht&action=display&thread=2768Thank you for spreading the right information . Truly, François.
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Post by sockhom on Dec 23, 2009 10:43:04 GMT -10
Hello, The seedlings have been slow during all the first year. Yhey are now beginning to grow faster. I really like the very developped wings: December, 23th, 2009: François.
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Post by sockhom on Dec 16, 2009 11:10:07 GMT -10
The temperatures are quite good for highland species. Maybe even a bit too cold. This is my latest N. ephippiata pitcher: Some N. glabrata aerial pitchers: N. boschiana : N. spectabilis: And a look at one of my Heliamphora terrarium. Yes, they are highland pitcher plants too ;-) François.
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Post by sockhom on Dec 16, 2009 8:43:38 GMT -10
December 2009. No appendage yet but a kind of bump: François.
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Post by sockhom on Dec 5, 2009 13:37:56 GMT -10
Done.
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Post by sockhom on Nov 30, 2009 6:13:30 GMT -10
Hello, I will ask all of you to continue this discussion in private (by PM). It is of no interest for the users here to read those kind of posts, so I will erase the following ones if you keep on fighting. I will be in Vietnam in less than three months; I hope some of you can help. If you can't or don't want, well I will come nonetheless . My flights are booked. Truly, François. PS: Oh and I didn't write the Wikipedia thorelii article, it is a guy from UK (most of the article). He did a fine job .
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Post by sockhom on Nov 26, 2009 5:52:34 GMT -10
Hello Tranminh, Are you talking to me or to one of your country mates? What's wrong about this Wikipedia article? Could you please elaborate? I don't know why you guys are fighting. Please, let me understand. François.
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Post by sockhom on Nov 25, 2009 8:09:06 GMT -10
Calm down guys. There's no need to fight . I have sent you mails or PM and I will be there february 7th 2010, so I hope you will all meet me at Ho-Chi-Minh. François.
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Post by sockhom on Nov 20, 2009 23:03:26 GMT -10
Hello,
This is a great discovery. It's like rediscovering N. deaniana.
I'm convinced the plant in the 5 first pictures is the true N. thorelii which had not been seen in the wild since its description in 1909. I will go to Vietnam in february to make things sure and will collect herbarium samples and write a scientific paper and... a field report!
Wish me good luck!
François.
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Post by sockhom on Nov 5, 2009 6:13:01 GMT -10
François, that's TRANG, not Trat ) Trat is the home of N. kampotiana! The rest is correct. And the post of floranepenthaceae is fine. I would add that in Pangà you have not just N. Viking (rare) and N. "thorelii-like", but even N. mirabilis! The plants sold by Thai growers are mostly N. thorelii-like x mirabilis. A part from Nong, I had the opportunity to realize that those colonies are well known by the Thai nurseries/poachers, but they of course have no idea of what species/hybrids/varieties they are. So as long as you buy plants called "tiger" and "thorelii", you'll get a bit of everything (mostly hybrids). Dave, if Nong crossed a Viking with the "Cambodia tiger" (yes, that's kampotiana), then yes, it's a homemade hybrid, so it's viking x kampotiana. Viking is an extreme form of mirabilis, so it will show - on both the plants of Pangà and Trang - the fimbriate margins with much variability, like the normal mirabilis. Who said the viking from Trang doesn't have fimbriate margins? The plants from Trang and from Pangà are basically the same, except maybe for the colour, which is a bit darker in Trang.
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Post by sockhom on Nov 5, 2009 6:12:31 GMT -10
Copied from Pitcherplant in the tropics forum: BTW a decent write up on all the IC neps would be very welcome ;D Hey Mark, We made a summup a while ago on Flora Nepenthaceae: lhnn.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=ht&action=display&thread=2768It is still good. It needs some update. To be short (sorry to be out of topic): There are "Vikings" on the island of Phang Ga and on the mainland (in Trat). Marcello considered both populations to be "Vikings" with just very slight differences. On the Island of Phang Ga (where "Vikings have been first collected), there are "sp. Viking", an undescribed species and hybrids between the two of them.Nong went to that island and collected a bit of everything. The problem is that in his latest book, Stewart McPherson refers to the Viking taxon as "N. sp. Phanga" whereas Marcello uses the same name to refer to the undescribed species ( thorelii like) from the same island! I'll let Marcello chime in... Cello, if you want and have the time, you can copy the post on Flora Nepenthaceae, edit it, and post it here. Or do whatever suits you best. Lastly, Mark I agree with you about taxonomy. We're just trying to put some order some chaos, that's all. It's useless but it's useful. ;D François.
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Post by sockhom on Oct 24, 2009 10:55:51 GMT -10
Hi Michael, Unfortunately, I didn't find any viable seeds. The pods were either still green or too old. That's a shame. I hope to return to the location next year. I might be lucky that time. One more pic... N. spec. Pursat in habitat. A very steep slope: Cheers, François.
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Post by sockhom on Oct 22, 2009 9:09:44 GMT -10
We are not bringing N. mirabilis in Florida, for example, as that would really bring unknown consequences... OK, thanks for clearing Cello . This is out of topic but I wonder if our friends from Hawaï or Florida have ever found some Nepenthes "in the wild" near their yards/nurseries. Cheers, françois.
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Post by sockhom on Oct 22, 2009 6:43:11 GMT -10
Cello,
Of course I share your enthusiasm and your ideas but how do you decide that a land is good for the a secundary colony? Of course, you will check that the ecology will be similar but is there a faint chance that the introduction of a Nepenthes species can be detrimental to another species of (non carnivorous) plant/organism? I know this is a cliché but still, I wonder...
François.
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Post by sockhom on Oct 20, 2009 9:50:56 GMT -10
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