The Indochinese species: INDEX

[sockhom]

Copied from Pitcherplant in the tropics forum:

Nov 5, 2009 0:20:27 GMT -10 sockhom said:

Nov 4, 2009 12:32:43 GMT -10 @manders said:

BTW a decent write up on all the IC neps would be very welcome ;D

Hey Mark,

We made a summup a while ago on Flora Nepenthaceae:

lhnn.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=ht&action=display&thread=2768

It is still good. It needs some update.



To be short (sorry to be out of topic):

There are "Vikings" on the island of Phang Ga and on the mainland (in Trat). Marcello considered both populations to be "Vikings" with just very slight differences.

On the Island of Phang Ga (where "Vikings have been first collected), there are "sp. Viking", an undescribed species and hybrids between the two of them.

Nong went to that island and collected a bit of everything.

The problem is that in his latest book, Stewart McPherson refers to the Viking taxon as "N. sp. Phanga" whereas Marcello uses the same name to refer to the undescribed species (thorelii like) from the same island!

I'll let Marcello chime in...

Cello, if you want and have the time, you can copy the post on Flora Nepenthaceae, edit it, and post it here. Or do whatever suits you best.



Lastly, Mark I agree with you about taxonomy. We're just trying to put some order some chaos, that's all. It's useless but it's useful. ;D


François.

[sockhom]

Nov 5, 2009 5:52:28 GMT -10 Marcello Catalano said:

François, that's TRANG, not Trat ) Trat is the home of N. kampotiana!
The rest is correct. And the post of floranepenthaceae is fine. I would add that in Pangà you have not just N. Viking (rare) and N. "thorelii-like", but even N. mirabilis!
The plants sold by Thai growers are mostly N. thorelii-like x mirabilis.
A part from Nong, I had the opportunity to realize that those colonies are well known by the Thai nurseries/poachers, but they of course have no idea of what species/hybrids/varieties they are. So as long as you buy plants called "tiger" and "thorelii", you'll get a bit of everything (mostly hybrids).

Dave, if Nong crossed a Viking with the "Cambodia tiger" (yes, that's kampotiana), then yes, it's a homemade hybrid, so it's viking x kampotiana.
Viking is an extreme form of mirabilis, so it will show - on both the plants of Pangà and Trang - the fimbriate margins with much variability, like the normal mirabilis. Who said the viking from Trang doesn't have fimbriate margins? The plants from Trang and from Pangà are basically the same, except maybe for the colour, which is a bit darker in Trang.