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Post by rainforest on Nov 30, 2008 16:59:34 GMT -10
Look carefully at this cross of truncata x hamata.  Note the coloration of the dark blotchiness in the lid attributed from N. hamata and show me even one sib x hamata seedling with this characteristic. The blotches in its lids is clearly from hamata like rudimentary follicle glands. Also note the blotches on the distinct hamata-like pattern. The coloration of the dots are found OUTSIDE of the pitcher with the reverse pattern showing through in reverse inside the pitcher. You would think that this coloration would supersede sibuyanensis coloration and pattern. Note the wings with hair-like extensions (like eye-lash extensions) on a distinct leaf-wing. Note the shape of the lid in relation to is opening and posture from the peristome/mouth. Look at the shape of N. hamata carefully.  See anything even resembling anything here in the disguised sib x hamata seedlings? Compare hamata with Predator and compare hamata with sib x hamata. I guess everyone can be convinced by TonyP's illustration that the sib x hamata looks very much so like how hamata looks like Predator. NO WAY JOSE CAN THIS BE EVEN RELATED!!! ANYONE SEEING HAMATA IN THE SIB X HAMATA IS JUST KRAZIE!!!! What do you see? M |
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Post by tonyp on Nov 30, 2008 19:48:16 GMT -10
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Post by wanakorn on Nov 30, 2008 21:29:32 GMT -10
Hi,Sam
Your Hamata in cage
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Post by Robiii on Dec 1, 2008 11:32:19 GMT -10
Wanakorn: That's Micheal not Sam... Micheal: I do believe there is a chance it is N. sibuyanensis x hamata. The reasons for this is N. sibuyanensis x xtrusmadiensis and N. truncata x sibuyanensis in both of these hybrids N. sibuyanensis stands out like a sore thumb. Also with N. sibuyanensis x xtrusmadiensis I've recently noticed that the 'teeth/ribs' on the peristome don't truly become apparent until it has matured quite a bit. Take a look at srduggins sib xTM's the teeth progressively get larger with age. s47.photobucket.com/albums/f181/srduggins/TM%20Hybrids/sibuyanensis%20x%20TM/ Here's a sib x hamata that I'd say looks it, though young. img182.imageshack.us/img182/3707/dscn2924dt9.jpgimg244.imageshack.us/img244/6516/dscn2925sn5.jpgI see your points Micheal but I still have a bit of 'faith' that it is what it is, sib x hamata. Until it starts really looking like sib x talangensis, then my views will become a bit more disturbed. Rob |
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Post by jgriffin on Dec 1, 2008 14:56:37 GMT -10
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Post by rainforest on Dec 1, 2008 16:42:16 GMT -10
I cannot see any hamata in either of the plants shown in the thread. There is no other plants that can resemble a hamata, the seedlings don't even come close to a hamata in appearance.
Coloration, pitcher shape, plant to pitcher ratio is all off. The lid is too large for either a sib or a hamata!
This is something else.
M
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Post by jgriffin on Dec 1, 2008 19:10:36 GMT -10
Something else than sib x hamata or something else than the plant we are debating about?
Joe
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Post by Noa_F on Dec 1, 2008 20:49:20 GMT -10
Wow, I want an a N. Predator so badly now.
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Post by jgriffin on Dec 2, 2008 15:01:23 GMT -10
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Post by ep on Dec 4, 2008 21:03:08 GMT -10
Hi All, Been a bit busy and haven't posted here for a while but just had to on this topic. Below could be the first photos of N.sib x hamata. What do you all think? These could be the photos to end this debate and perhaps destroy or strengthen the 'faith' of viridis's and others  Cheers, Geoff    |
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Post by obregon562 on Dec 5, 2008 4:59:03 GMT -10
interesting...is that a BE plant?
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Post by ep on Dec 5, 2008 19:49:15 GMT -10
Hi All,
I never noticed Michael's thread. Perhaps I should have posted it there.
No Frankie, it is not from BE it is one we produced.
I was asking if anyone could see the sib x hamata charcteristics in it that a lot want to see in BE's plants.
Cheers,
Geoff
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Post by obregon562 on Dec 6, 2008 8:13:50 GMT -10
an EP version of sib x hamata?! NICE!
wow, this situation is gonna get ugly...
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Post by capslock on Dec 6, 2008 11:19:53 GMT -10
Yeah, the more hamata hybrids the better! Predator is such a winner of a plant! I tried to make a hybrid with Predator pollen and got all of one seedling that survived past a few millimeters. (there maybe others out there where I sent seed.) This is N. khasiana x Predator, followed by a Predator of about the same age for comparison:   I can't wait to see what sib x hamata looks like when they get bigger! Max |
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Post by rainforest on Dec 6, 2008 12:46:15 GMT -10
MAX,
The hairs on the lids of those second generation seedling/hybrids is wonderful. To me khasiana is a bland species, so combining Predator with it could yield great potential. Keep us abreast with that one.
I think Predator should be recrossed back to hamata just to increase the likelihood of increasing hamata's teeth. But could lose some of the grand appeal Predator gives to that cross. The back crossing of Predator to hamata would yield a very desirable breeding agent to the hamata line. Because you'll then have a hybrid with double zap of hamata with the potential for making truncata size.
M
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