The Need to Have Hybrids and Varieties Registered
Jul 31, 2008 11:17:23 GMT -10
Post by rainforest on Jul 31, 2008 11:17:23 GMT -10
We are just beginning to skim the surface for nepenthes breeding. While many hybrids have been produced in centuries ago, the numbers of hybrids will exponentially increase beyond our expectations in our life time and explode afterwards!
The need for registering hybrids and varieties are crucial if this will amount to anything. While there are those less knowledgeable to coin registered names after imposter look-a-likes, these true varieties and forms will surface and the most educated of us will come to the conclusions that it is a fake. We see this everywhere. From scrupulous collectors who will rename a known species and give it a new name, this practice is in place even before the so-called naming an imposter game imposed by the INGR.
The fact remains that a knowledgeable nepenthes collector will do his/her homework and decipher the facts for themselves. I see no ill effects derived from Tom-Foolery even if unintentionally derived from misgivings placed by the INGR. Those that feel that this will lead to misinformation, hasn't had the time to read the details and or participate in the process of the INGR. Like even our basic governing body, as we encounter problems and or something that may be misinformational, a petition and a plea for change will come about. It occurs in our own government and even employment. Nothing is set in stone that it can never be irrevocable.
The process here is already in existence for the members of the Orchidaceae and even specific rules exist for dioecious orchidaceae are in place. We can also adopt these for nepenthes, as unlike orchids, most nepenthes can be bred from a wide span of species even from remote regions of the world.
The need for a resolution to bring information to the fore is of utmost importance. In todays fast pace technological advances, the availability of knowledge is a rapid one and we need to bring the breeding model of nepenthes into the light of things. We have included previous achievements and recognized current breeding records to make an informational site to assist others in their breeding searches.
Everyone wants to be like an explorer and when they make a cross, they want to christen it like they were Christopher Columbus and make it their own. We need to start recognizing efforts done previously to our beginnings. We need to follow a plan.
While there are those that will refuse to know a registered name and just call it the recipe of the species involved, this is fine while nepenthes is just in its primary and tertiary phases. Imagine a hybrid like:
{[(Red Dragon x Dragon Wings) x (truncata x Manny Herrera IV var. Pink Sunset)] x [(Minami ‘Triumph’ x Kona) x (Tiveyi x Dyeriana) ‘Dark Clone’]} x {[(FPT x Queen of Hearts ‘Striped peristome’) x (Big Mama x Mama Mia) x Sabah Beauty] x [(rajah x Dyeriana) x (merrilliana x Caesar)]}
crossed with
N.({[(King Kong ‘Ruby’ x flava ‘Rubra’) x (Victoriae x Dyeriana)] x [(Mars ‘Red Moon’ x FireBell ‘Sensation’)]} x [Globotrata x Predator x (German Hyb.)]) x {[(Caesar x rajah) x (Alisaputrana x ventricosa ‘Red Leather’)]} x {[(Rokko XI “Mystery” x ManMadeTrusmadiensis) x (Turquoise Dragon x Florida Beauty)]} x {[(Excelsior “Grande” x estesii ) x (francoisii x Black Dyeriana)]}
Wouldn't it just be easier to have this as a single named plant as opposed to all of this?
In the above example, how do we know if Big Mamma is a hybrid or a cultivar? Is there a place to research this? I guess some one will be so adamant and write this each time on a tag for identification. (Geezzz I'd rather write a novel and get paid for writing all of this!). So before you think that the INGR doesn't work, look above at the cross. I strongly believe that the INGR works and will work for you if you are capable of following some basic rules. Everything new and unknown may be difficult to grasp, but if we follow these rules and set examples, then we can have a system that is invaluable and very useful to our every day needs when making a cross.
There are so many people who can point out errors or say negative things about something. But how many of those naysayers actually have done any true work on anything? If your answer is zero, then add yourself to that zero. Let's just sit back and watch this go over our heads as they bury us in the ground. The time to act is now, not naysay again and again for another century. If your actions speaks louder than words you have credibility. If your actions are less than words, then I don't really care.
Michael
The need for registering hybrids and varieties are crucial if this will amount to anything. While there are those less knowledgeable to coin registered names after imposter look-a-likes, these true varieties and forms will surface and the most educated of us will come to the conclusions that it is a fake. We see this everywhere. From scrupulous collectors who will rename a known species and give it a new name, this practice is in place even before the so-called naming an imposter game imposed by the INGR.
The fact remains that a knowledgeable nepenthes collector will do his/her homework and decipher the facts for themselves. I see no ill effects derived from Tom-Foolery even if unintentionally derived from misgivings placed by the INGR. Those that feel that this will lead to misinformation, hasn't had the time to read the details and or participate in the process of the INGR. Like even our basic governing body, as we encounter problems and or something that may be misinformational, a petition and a plea for change will come about. It occurs in our own government and even employment. Nothing is set in stone that it can never be irrevocable.
The process here is already in existence for the members of the Orchidaceae and even specific rules exist for dioecious orchidaceae are in place. We can also adopt these for nepenthes, as unlike orchids, most nepenthes can be bred from a wide span of species even from remote regions of the world.
The need for a resolution to bring information to the fore is of utmost importance. In todays fast pace technological advances, the availability of knowledge is a rapid one and we need to bring the breeding model of nepenthes into the light of things. We have included previous achievements and recognized current breeding records to make an informational site to assist others in their breeding searches.
Everyone wants to be like an explorer and when they make a cross, they want to christen it like they were Christopher Columbus and make it their own. We need to start recognizing efforts done previously to our beginnings. We need to follow a plan.
While there are those that will refuse to know a registered name and just call it the recipe of the species involved, this is fine while nepenthes is just in its primary and tertiary phases. Imagine a hybrid like:
{[(Red Dragon x Dragon Wings) x (truncata x Manny Herrera IV var. Pink Sunset)] x [(Minami ‘Triumph’ x Kona) x (Tiveyi x Dyeriana) ‘Dark Clone’]} x {[(FPT x Queen of Hearts ‘Striped peristome’) x (Big Mama x Mama Mia) x Sabah Beauty] x [(rajah x Dyeriana) x (merrilliana x Caesar)]}
crossed with
N.({[(King Kong ‘Ruby’ x flava ‘Rubra’) x (Victoriae x Dyeriana)] x [(Mars ‘Red Moon’ x FireBell ‘Sensation’)]} x [Globotrata x Predator x (German Hyb.)]) x {[(Caesar x rajah) x (Alisaputrana x ventricosa ‘Red Leather’)]} x {[(Rokko XI “Mystery” x ManMadeTrusmadiensis) x (Turquoise Dragon x Florida Beauty)]} x {[(Excelsior “Grande” x estesii ) x (francoisii x Black Dyeriana)]}
Wouldn't it just be easier to have this as a single named plant as opposed to all of this?
In the above example, how do we know if Big Mamma is a hybrid or a cultivar? Is there a place to research this? I guess some one will be so adamant and write this each time on a tag for identification. (Geezzz I'd rather write a novel and get paid for writing all of this!). So before you think that the INGR doesn't work, look above at the cross. I strongly believe that the INGR works and will work for you if you are capable of following some basic rules. Everything new and unknown may be difficult to grasp, but if we follow these rules and set examples, then we can have a system that is invaluable and very useful to our every day needs when making a cross.
There are so many people who can point out errors or say negative things about something. But how many of those naysayers actually have done any true work on anything? If your answer is zero, then add yourself to that zero. Let's just sit back and watch this go over our heads as they bury us in the ground. The time to act is now, not naysay again and again for another century. If your actions speaks louder than words you have credibility. If your actions are less than words, then I don't really care.
Michael
And I don't even have one in my collection.