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Post by xir007 on Jan 8, 2010 3:05:21 GMT -10
 N. (ventricosa x sibuyanensis) x (ventricosa x Tiveyi (b) EP  N. ampullaria  N. ampullaria  N. echinostoma  N. rafflesiana x merilliana EP  N. 'Tiger' x rafflesiana  N. arstolochioides x spectabilis BE |
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Post by sockhom on Jan 8, 2010 10:59:10 GMT -10
Gorgeous. Real showstoppers.
I especially like the two rafflesiana hybrids.
Do you know what kind of "tiger" was used to make N. 'Tiger' x rafflesiana?
Cheers,
François.
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Post by Dave Evans on Jan 8, 2010 11:20:07 GMT -10
Wow! Great looking plants Xir!
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Post by rainforest on Jan 8, 2010 16:27:40 GMT -10
Xir,
I noticed that you grow many of your plants in what appears to be pure coco chips. How often do you have to replant the entire media when they break down? Do you just do this systematically or do it when the plant shows weaknesses or downturned growth patterns?
If you have never had problems with media breakdown, I would be very curious why/how this is so. I have known so many say that this media is bad. yet I know that Sam swears by it and EP too! But for me I have had sudden death syndrome of black death using this media and do not use this any more.
Do you fertilize your plants as well?
M
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Post by xir007 on Jan 8, 2010 18:46:17 GMT -10
Gorgeous. Real showstoppers. I especially like the two rafflesiana hybrids. Do you know what kind of "tiger" was used to make N. 'Tiger' x rafflesiana? Cheers, François. I used this clone  root system 1  2  stem 1  2  3  lower pitcher  upper pitcher  1  2 Wow! Great looking plants Xir! Thanks  |
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Post by xir007 on Jan 8, 2010 19:02:53 GMT -10
Xir, I noticed that you grow many of your plants in what appears to be pure coco chips. How often do you have to replant the entire media when they break down? Do you just do this systematically or do it when the plant shows weaknesses or downturned growth patterns? If you have never had problems with media breakdown, I would be very curious why/how this is so. I have known so many say that this media is bad. yet I know that Sam swears by it and EP too! But for me I have had sudden death syndrome of black death using this media and do not use this any more. Do you fertilize your plants as well? M Hi, M I use 2 mixed part - Sphagnum mos for many plant from TC lab, cutting plants, Highland plants (growing in Evap by TropicPitchers) - Coconut chip for many mature plants and after 1.5 - 2 years we will change coconut chip for some plants we have to use coconut chip because it very cheap about 1USD/20-30KGs but sphagnum moos 35USD/5KGs I use many kind of fertilize : osmocote, fish emulsion, seaweed and other nutrient |
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Post by Dave Evans on Jan 8, 2010 21:51:23 GMT -10
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Post by sockhom on Jan 8, 2010 22:53:00 GMT -10
Dear Xir,
Thank you very much for posting those "tiger" picture
This "tiger" from Suratthani is a new species.
Please, from now on, Refer to your hybrid as "Nepenthes sp. Surat x rafflesiana".
I love pictures of the rootstock: the main tap root is impressive.Those species are fascinating from an ecological point of view.
Cheers,
François.
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Post by leilani on Jan 8, 2010 23:36:34 GMT -10
Kinda scary! Like a baby in an alien movie. The differences in root structure among Nepenthes seem at least as dramatic as any of differences in leaf structure ( .. including even the differences in pitchers). I'd like to see someone attempt an index of Nepenthes that started with root structure as the primary definitional characteristic and see what kind of tree follows. I have often been surprised when un-potting a large plant to discover the variety of these structures. I was amazed at un-potting a good sized N. clipeata ........ who knew? We just don't do enough "root exams". |
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Post by ellisonk001 on Jan 9, 2010 8:01:00 GMT -10
Xir, thanks for sharing these pictures of your beautiful plants. Truly inspirational!
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Post by Dave Evans on Jan 9, 2010 12:51:47 GMT -10
Yeah Sam, this root system is rather similar to those of N. smilesii. www.rci.rutgers.edu/~dpevans/Nepenthes/N_smilesii.htmMy plants went dormant again for about two months, and one is just starting to re-grow from a previously dormant bud at the top of the root stock. The second plant might also be growing, but it is lower in the pot so the top of the rootstock is below the soil surface... Xir, those are the gnarliest root ever! François, you do think it could be that this sp. Surat Thani is also the species from Langkawi Island? The few photos I've seen, appear to depict very similar plants... What do you think Max? I already consider both this "Tiger from Surat Thani" and "sp. Langkawi" to be species of " Nepenthes affinis kampotiana"... |
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Post by xir007 on Jan 10, 2010 2:17:50 GMT -10
look like Dear Xir, Thank you very much for posting those "tiger" picture This "tiger" from Suratthani is a new species. Please, from now on, Refer to your hybrid as " Nepenthes sp. Surat x rafflesiana". I love pictures of the rootstock: the main tap root is impressive.Those species are fascinating from an ecological point of view. Cheers, François. easy to say but hard to do , we call this nep. more than 20 years in the name 'N. Tiger' ;D |
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Post by Dave Evans on Jan 10, 2010 10:51:17 GMT -10
Dear Xir,
Sometimes it is not easy, but for now try calling it "Tiger from Surat". I have seen several species all called Tiger from Thailand and also Cambodia by Thai growers over the years...
So, "Tiger" means more than one species and is a very confusing name... It is only a little better than "thorelii". Since "thorelii" is being used for about seven different species while "Tiger" has been used for four or five similar, but distinct species.
Which "Tiger"? At least we know that "Tiger from Surat" or "Surat Tiger" doesn't refer to a plant from Cambodia.
Was the name "Tiger" ever published in an article explaining what it is? If so, it might be possible to keep the name. If not, maybe we should publish it; that is, if people in Thailand want to keep the name or make a new one for it...
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Post by rsivertsen on Jan 10, 2010 13:13:23 GMT -10
Dear Xir, Sometimes it is not easy, but for now try calling it "Tiger from Surat". I have seen several species all called Tiger from Thailand and also Cambodia by Thai growers over the years... So, "Tiger" means more than one species and is a very confusing name... It is only a little better than "thorelii". Since "thorelii" is being used for about seven different species while "Tiger" has been used for four or five similar, but distinct species. Which "Tiger"? At least we know that "Tiger from Surat" or "Surat Tiger" doesn't refer to a plant from Cambodia. Was the name "Tiger" ever published in an article explaining what it is? If so, it might be possible to keep the name. If not, maybe we should publish it; that is, if people in Thailand want to keep the name or make a new one for it... That would be nice, but we all know how secretive and difficult it is to find the "Tiger" woods these days! ;D  |
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Post by lamwn on Jan 16, 2010 21:38:07 GMT -10
Hey Xir007, love your plants! very nice ;D also agree the tiger 'surat' x raff has beautiful colour. any way, thought it would be interesting to know that I have a very similar 'tiger' as you do. Mine was from Nong, and at that time I didnt know its location of origin. interesting thing is that I took lots of macro pics for Marcello (even mailed him some material), and after a long examination, he (kind of) concluded N. sp. Surat (without a prior knowledge of its location origin!). think its good news that shows we're starting to make progress in our understanding of these plants  thanks Lam |
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