This is N. maxima ?

[leilani]

Here is a specimen from a batch of seed grown N. maxima. I'm not sure what the think.

[mikuláš]

Hurray! N. hurreliana is now in cultivation! j/k

Interesting indeed. That's a very steep rise on the peristome, especially with respect to the size and width of the pitcher. Veitchii genes somewhere? Where does that batch hale from?

[nepenthesfinatic13]

Well it's definentily not maxima. I'd say veitchii or hurreliana but it does have the appendage. I'm no expert but I'd say is a hybrid between maxima and veitchii or maxima and hurreliana. You said it was seed grown do others in the batch look like maxima or do they look like the picture you showed?? Very interesting

[vividrays84]

Wow! def not maxima and def not N. hurrelliana, as N. hurrelliana has drk streaked pitchers and way darker striping on the peristome....def Veitchii influence..maybe a different form of fusca x Veitchii or the reverse?? Anyway I would be happier with that than N. maxima but disappointed with no true identity:-/ beautiful regardless

[philgreen]

Very nice

Does look to have veitchii in it - looks to be rather hairy.

So come on, do tell us where/when the seed came from. Could others of us have some, we should be looking carefully at.

[Noa_F]

I definitely would have never guessed this to be maxima. Would it be possible to see some of its siblings for comparison?

[agustinfranco]

Hi there:

This is a very interesting finding. If Sam is correct, that plant came from a batch of maxima seeds. This means that this plant has maxima genes in them; however, it looks like some form of N. veitchii with N. hurrelliana's peristome. What does it all mean?

Tentative explanations:

1) seed mix up received by Sam. In which case, there should be more plants like that to the people who grew the same batch of seeds.
2) N. maxima is capable of storing more than maxima genes and these are expressed in certain generation of plants? If this is true, then clonality in Nepenthes does not really exist!
So much for the splitters!

Now even if it is a seed mix up, this N. veitchii shows a very unusual peristome (hurrelliana-like). I remember reading a thread on another forum about 6 years ago, when a well- known grower said that perhaps N.hurrelliana is a cross between N. fusca and N. veitchii, not between maxima and veitchii!. This is getting too confusing, really!

Gus

[vraev]

almost looks like a mix of veitchii and hurrelliiana. Whatever it is...it is one fantastic little guy. I wish I had one of those. lol! Very very nice Sam!

[kain]

What does the rest of the plant look like, Sam? Laminar form and attachment, hairyness, etc. If it's got veitchii, the tendrils and pitcher buds ought to be pretty fuzzy. It does have both lid projections normally associated with maxima, but also associated with eymae. Eymae pitchers sometimes have a taller "neck" than maxima pitchers.

[agustinfranco]

Hi there:

It's pretty obvious, based on the ep photo that this plant is N. veitchii. It seems that his species has variable peristome shape. Still this does not explain how Sam got a veitchii mixed with maxima seeds. I wonder how the maxima from this batch of seed looks like? (besides the plant shown in the photo)

Gus

[mikuláš]

I'd agree that this plant does bear strong resemblance to EP's newest veitchii highland photos.

In correction to my joke earlier: It appears hurrelliana is already in cultivation:
pitcherplants.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=8652&page=4

[rsivertsen]

The FIRST thing should be to verify WHERE these seed came from, since N. maxima is not considered a Bornean species, but mostly from Sulawesi and Paupa/New Guinea where forms are extremely variable, especially the N. eymae group, where some really DO look like N. hurrelliana and some resemble N. veitchii. If the seed originated in Borneo, that limits the possibilities to N. veitchii and N. fusca.

[kain]

This plant does resemble EP's N. veitchii (k), but it is not that plant as it has both of the characteristic projections on its lid that are only (as far as I know) found together on N. maxima and N. eymae. Too, I have an EP N. veitchii (k) and it does not have those projections on its pitcher lid.

[mikuláš]

Just for fun:

michaelkevinsmith.com/images/nepenthes/nepenthes-veitchii-hurrelliana-fusca-comparison.gif

And what about the lid parts of this veitchii (from somewhere else at LHNN)?

i52.photobucket.com/albums/g30/Leilani_10/July/DSCF0021_1.jpg

[kain]

I stand corrected about both types of lid projections in N. veitchii. They are present in some populations but apparently 'not generally expressed' (McPherson's Pitcher Plants of the Old World vol. 1, pp. 526-528.) Thanks to Mikulas for pointing this out gently.