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Post by rainforest on Nov 29, 2008 8:07:40 GMT -10
After that sibuyanensis x hamata fiasco, I think it would be in BE's best interest to show what species were actually used before growers start plunking down hard earned mula for something that may end up being something else. We still don't know to this day if a true hamata was even used in the breeding of the sib x hamata cross. A hybrid sounds great IF it is really what it is to be. Of course you're saying it was just a fluke, but what if Rob never ever pollinated any if the hybrids and just received seeds of these so-called crosses? How would anyone know what they are? Is there any guinea pigs out there who will be buying a few to post photos of theirs? Curious Minds Want To Know!
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Post by Robiii on Nov 29, 2008 11:24:23 GMT -10
My big question is how come when EP makes a hybrid they most likely have photographed representation of the plants used in breeding of hybrids such as there N. Predator pics of 'Mom, Dad, and baby' but with BE we only see what the kids look like and to top it off kids at all different ages that look almost completely different?
So what was that new BE hybrid that sounds really interesting? Oh yeah, I don't know what it is...
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Post by boris on Nov 29, 2008 11:56:09 GMT -10
So what was that new BE hybrid that sounds really interesting? Oh yeah, I don't know what it is... I know ... I know ... it's N. platychila x veitchii. It's performing fantastic and I think this cross looks like it was intended. Sometimes nature plays with us the game what we want but not always
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Post by rainforest on Nov 29, 2008 13:44:55 GMT -10
But Boris, everyone here knows that platychila is really N. platychila x fusca x platychila x fusca, x unknown x fusca x platychila x platychila x fusca, and crossed with something else. But that makes it OK since they're all from one original species ten millions years ago!
I think we should be able to see what platychila was used before we make the assumption that it really is a pure species of an introgressed hybrid.
This whole episode of a species (even a tc clone) that could be a hybrid makes me weary about acknowledging that any given species is really a species.
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Post by nepsaroundthehouse on Dec 28, 2008 3:46:27 GMT -10
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Post by rainforest on Dec 28, 2008 11:55:26 GMT -10
WOW, is that the listed or Ebay price? This hybrid somehow seems to be close to a maxima x Trusmadiensis with macrophylla replaced by ventricosa. Maxima x TM's have been huge almost TM-like pitchers when mature. So this hybrid should look like a maxima with Briggsiana-like pitchers then. EP has made a spectabilis x (lowii x ventricosa) which is the best complex lowii hybrid (in my opinion) to date! I will update photos of this one soon. One day I was watering my larger seedlings and noticed a pitcher very much like their spectabilis x veitchii except it was more vivid, almost like a grand veitchii h/l striped. Upon tagging that tendril, I found that it came from a spectabilis x (lowii x ventricosa). For those of you who have not purchased one of these, you'd better do so while they are still listed on their site. I have already set aside all the siblings from this grex. It's nice to see growers make hybrids from their own plants.
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Post by obregon562 on Dec 29, 2008 8:19:39 GMT -10
oh god! i think that plant will be FANTASTIC, but a small seedling for $120? i dont know what to do!
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Post by rainforest on Dec 30, 2008 7:55:50 GMT -10
I would wait. If EP did this similar cross it might sell for a price close to many of its lowii x ventricosa hybrid crosses sell for. The novelty of Briggsiana has sort of diminished with all the flurry of second generation Trusmadiensis crosses coming out. You can still afford a TM hybrid easily than a Brigg's cross any day. Plus get a bonus of really seeing developed pitchers at that price.
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Post by crazymac on Dec 30, 2008 21:00:04 GMT -10
Thanks for the link, Joel. It is a bit pricey... Have to mull that one over.
Right now, EP is offering the reverse (almost), N. maxima by one of their N. lowii x ventricosa. ($40 AU) It will be interesting to compare them as they mature. mac
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Post by rainforest on Dec 31, 2008 6:52:06 GMT -10
Always know what your parent plants look like. EP has made the lowii x ventricosa cross using a Trusmadi lowii and a selected red form of ventricosa. That has produced a lowii x ventricosa of impeccable standards, then cross it to one of their wide flaring maximas, and we have a sturdy hefty easy to grow seedling. I'm a little biased, but after purchasing thousands of dollars in EP hybrids, I have the experience and can say there is no hybrids they have made that I was disappointed or wished I didn't get. More often I wished I had bought more.
I'm still holding out or an N. eymae x (lowii x ventricosa) cross hint hint, or better yet a lowii x eymae primary, WOOF!
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Post by twildwood2 on Dec 31, 2008 13:34:26 GMT -10
Here is a pic of N. 'D'Amato' x maxima that I got from California Carnivores.
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Post by nepsaroundthehouse on Jan 2, 2009 3:34:40 GMT -10
Thanks for the photo of the seedling. Michael, there is hope for that eymae x lowii xx ventricosa. Right now I should get viable seed of eymae x mastersiana and eymae x Lady Pauline. With luck, one of my lowii x ventricosas will be male and in spike at the same time as my eymae in the future. So who knows?
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Post by rainforest on Jan 2, 2009 9:24:41 GMT -10
Joel, I forgot, you do have an eymae female. Has she bloomed recently? Consistently?
Other potential mates would include N. boschiana, ephippiata, merrilliana (for me, anyway), truncata, spathulata x boschiana, rafflesiana x sibuyanensis (next time he blooms).
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Post by nepsaroundthehouse on Jan 2, 2009 13:19:20 GMT -10
M,
She blooms during the warmer months. Right now is my worst month and the boschianas with other neps don't like nights in the 30s and days in the 50s. This is when I tend to lose some plants because of the weather. Let's hope for not too cold nights and warmer days for January.
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Post by jt on Jan 3, 2009 12:13:03 GMT -10
Hi Everyone, This is my first post on this forum, but had to jump in and ask; are any of you aware of other hybrids using N. 'Peter D'Amato'? This cross with maxima is the first one that I've heard of and the first time I've heard it reported as female. Thanks! Jeff
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