Species Seed-Original Recognition

[rainforest]

I think we should make mention of all the sources who sells seed-original seedlings for sale. Post your sources and supplies. We know the desired uniqueness concerning the virtues of seed-originals. I think it is very important that we recognize those growers who are taking and making an effort to propagate and sell them. We all know tc clones are a dime a dozen.

This list may never take off due to the limitedness of these available. We hope this will change as attitudes and spending focuses on this issue, where we intentionally buy a seed original species or none at all!

Seed original does not always have to be from wild stock, if we take the initiative to propagate/pollinate captive plants, we're already headed in the right direction.

BE has a stockpile vault of species which they just use for displays in shows, never ever used them to make seed originals, just hybrids. I guess they'll keep these species rare by never propagating seed originals, just hybrids of these choice species. The best way that you'll purchase these will be only from tc clone (singular) and being just the random ONE selected for massed propagation, we'll never know if we have a goodie or baddie. All the great plants you see in their greenhouses (and shows) are seed-originals (black truncatas, veitchii's, lowii's, boschianas, maximas, etc.) not a tc clone among them. So the next time you're struggling with your tc talangensis, please know better options are possible. Just not practiced unless you voice your concerns!


OK who wants to offer some light on a grower of seed-original species?

M

[sockhom]

Hi Michael,

Christian Klein from Germany sometimes supplies seed grown plants but he's also a BE distributor.

Incidently, BE also supplied some seed grown plants from time to time: hamata "hairy", lingulata, jamban, gracillima, "typical" hamata, madagascariensis, burbidgeae... among others come to mind.


François.

[obregon562]

Peter D'Amato has offered SG plants from time to time...especially at his nursery.

[rainforest]

This is good. This will give special "advertising" to growers who offer seed grown originals. Be does offer seed (field collected) from time to time. While this is great, they have of recently been hybrids. I believe a buffer zone for seed grown from wild collected plants should be sold at a moderate price until such time that they can be confirmed as true species.

I am more inclined to make mention of those individuals who actually make controlled species pollination and seed sowing/distribution to the hobby. It's difficult to control what mother nature has done. It's more evident and true when the breeding efforts are made in a controlled environment with two potentially true species.

M

[philgreen]

Apr 20, 2009 10:56:08 GMT -10 rainforest said:

It's difficult to control what mother nature has done. M

Surely you don't object to natures own hybrids
That is one of the reasons I buy wild seed.

I would say that anyone who buy's a young seedling from wild seed, MUST accept the possibility that it may well turn out to be a hybrid. Possibly even more rare than what they thought they were buying.

[rsivertsen]

Apr 21, 2009 8:35:44 GMT -10 philgreen said:

Apr 20, 2009 10:56:08 GMT -10 rainforest said:

It's difficult to control what mother nature has done. M

Surely you don't object to natures own hybrids
That is one of the reasons I buy wild seed.

I would say that anyone who buy's a young seedling from wild seed, MUST accept the possibility that it may well turn out to be a hybrid. Possibly even more rare than what they thought they were buying.

There is some grower on one of these sites who was raising some seed collected from a female N. edwardsiana, and they're all turning out to be hybrids into N. burbidgea.

It's not only the hybrids, but the possibility of sports that occasionally pop up in a population of seedlings, those plants that have something unusual about them, but not likely hybrids. Growing Nepenthes from seed have always given me some surprises, and seem to produce the strongest plants when they mature. (... and don't call me Shirley. ;D ) - Rich

[rainforest]

Possibly even more rare than what they thought they were buying.

It is one thing if the natural cross is composed of two more sought after species (i.e. burbidegeae x edwardsiana), but more often it is the crosses of more common and less ornate species that are crossed with these desired species (i.e. N. mirabilis, reinwardtiana, alata, to name a few).


M