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Post by rainforest on Oct 21, 2010 8:59:27 GMT -10
Is anyone growing the Mt. Pasian form of this species?  Prefer seed-original clones. Looking to expand breeding group of this species. M |
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Post by agustinfranco on Dec 8, 2010 3:00:11 GMT -10
HI Michael:
As far as I know, copelandii Mt Pasian plants don't come from TC, but cuttings from a selected group of plants.
Gus
P.S I do believe these are, in fact, the real N. mindanaoensis.
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Post by rainforest on Dec 8, 2010 7:33:13 GMT -10
I am near 99% in agreement with this, as I do not believe they are copelandii (as Rob Cantley has ID'd them as being rediscovered as) but these appear to be more like alata and from what I've learned form what copelandiii should look like, it appears to me that they are closer appearing to maxima than alata. I have not seen uppers of these copelandii develop into the infundibular pitchers as they are described to possess. I have many uppers but they are like an alata upper if you ask me.
M
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Post by agustinfranco on Dec 8, 2010 11:12:50 GMT -10
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Post by rainforest on Dec 9, 2010 11:29:17 GMT -10
The plant in question grows too similarly to an alata I was told that N copelandii (original description) was different in shape and color. The mottling is dead ringer for copelandii (true) but mottling alone isn't true accurate for identifying a species. This may be a new species.
Point in mind is N. chaniana vs. N. pilosa. For the longest time, everyone called the plant in question, N. pilosa, until someone pointed out that the species is from Kalimantan. Thus N. chaniana was given to this species we all know too well.
This plant may very well be either another form of alata or a new species. NOT N. copelandii.
M
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Post by leilani on Jun 21, 2011 21:02:38 GMT -10
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Post by Dave Evans on Jun 22, 2011 11:26:48 GMT -10
Right, N. copelandii has infundibular uppers. Clearly two different species.
N. alata uppers and lowers are rather similar, both having a bulbous pitcher base. I believe it is the same for N. mindanaoensis (a fourth kind of alata, maybe?). I believe you're right Gus.
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Post by dvg on Jun 23, 2011 11:03:03 GMT -10
Agreed, Leilani's Mt. Pasian N. copelandii does look like it is either another form of N. alata, or at least has some N. alata influence in it.
dvg
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Post by agustinfranco on Jul 2, 2011 13:08:40 GMT -10
Hi there: if i am not mistaken, there is N. mindanaoensis which looks like copelandii mt pasian or the latter is another alata variant.
Gus
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Post by marka on Jul 8, 2011 12:43:23 GMT -10
My mindanaoensis does not look like the pasian copellandii, the leaf shape is all wrong.
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Post by philgreen on Jul 8, 2011 23:21:09 GMT -10
I know you have far more experience than me, but is that actually an upper and not just an intermediate pitcher ? The uppers shown by BE from Pasian are infundibular - see here www.borneoexotics.com/aspx/feature.aspx |
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