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Post by sdcarnivores on Apr 2, 2009 10:23:20 GMT -10
Lol, seriously. There's no way in heck I would jump the gun and buy one before seeing mature specimens of the same clones, even if they sold for less than $100.
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Post by rainforest on Apr 2, 2009 11:59:10 GMT -10
High probability based on previous experiences: 1.) They will appear on the market as HYBRIDS only (with other plants that will not bring out their desired characteristics. This way they can sell a bunch of stuff when we're all wanting the black truncatas BUT can ONLY obtain them as HYBRID material. WE all know it won't be anything resembling the black truncata, but there's always a sucker to buy them because they have black truncata in it. 2.) The black truncata seedling offerings will be from a random selection of somewhat black x normal, Pasian x normal, Pasian x somewhat black and Black x Black. They're random so the more you BUY the better your chances are to MAYBE obtain one (IF they are even released in this so called "random" batch). Yeah, you know, we've all been there, done that and we still don't have anything we originally intended to buy and have a batch of crap that we don't really want. yada yada yada. Like try to pretend that I am exaggerating this. 3.) They will offer ONE clone of a selected black truncata seedling showing the best characteristics from an in vitro specimen and when they grow up, we again don't have it because of label errors, mismanagement of explants or other instances where this valuable task has been undertaken from some lay person that shouldn't have been in charge to begin with.
Back to the drawing board.....
Maybe next year we'll offer the black truncata to you (after you purchasing stuff you really didn't want to begin with).
You can bet one thing for sure, they might get a gold for the Chelsea Show!
M
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Post by obregon562 on Apr 2, 2009 13:27:28 GMT -10
You can bet one thing for sure, they might get a gold for the Chelsea Show! Isnt that what it's really all about though?
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Post by obregon562 on Apr 2, 2009 15:26:22 GMT -10
All BE has to do is say, yep, with crosses N. ____, N. _____, and N. _____, we messed up. But thats it, and everything is else is completely true, according to our sources. If they wouldve done this eons ago, us forum-crawling-nepenthephiles wouldnt be wondering and drawing our own conclusions, at least not as much. If we have nothing to question, we wouldnt question them.
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Post by nepsaroundthehouse on Apr 26, 2009 13:01:08 GMT -10
Looks like Wistuba has updated the site for plants after winter break. He used to have clone 2, clone 3, and clone U if I recall. Now, there's only the one offering without any indication of what clone it is. Anyone heard what's up with this? Seems a bit unusual.
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Post by idontlikeforms on Apr 26, 2009 19:11:13 GMT -10
I noticed this a few days ago too. Fortunately, I put in an order for 2, 3, and U over the winter. The plants arrived in the mail yesterday and all three Clipeatas were labeled correctly.
Maybe two of his three clones became contaminated and he only has one clone left for future offerings.
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Post by nepsaroundthehouse on Apr 27, 2009 15:46:46 GMT -10
Oops. Forgot to indicate that the clones were for his clipeatas. As of right now, Wistuba is the only outlet for the species N. clipeata.
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Post by nepsaroundthehouse on Apr 29, 2009 15:05:27 GMT -10
Last check Wistuba had N. neoguineensis available on his site. I've heard that it's a vigorous clone and does well in lowland conditions. He doesn't have it available very often and is the only provider at this time of that species.
J
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Post by nepsaroundthehouse on May 2, 2009 3:40:13 GMT -10
Saw that the CP Jungle has some quantities of N. jacquelineae for pre-order for 49.99 and Cantley's red amps for 39.99 size N3 available. That's a good deal if anyone's lookin' to get in on that action.
Joel
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Post by srduggins on May 4, 2009 7:23:22 GMT -10
High probability based on previous experiences: 1.) They will appear on the market as HYBRIDS only (with other plants that will not bring out their desired characteristics. This way they can sell a bunch of stuff when we're all wanting the black truncatas BUT can ONLY obtain them as HYBRID material. WE all know it won't be anything resembling the black truncata, but there's always a sucker to buy them because they have black truncata in it. 2.) The black truncata seedling offerings will be from a random selection of somewhat black x normal, Pasian x normal, Pasian x somewhat black and Black x Black. They're random so the more you BUY the better your chances are to MAYBE obtain one (IF they are even released in this so called "random" batch). Yeah, you know, we've all been there, done that and we still don't have anything we originally intended to buy and have a batch of crap that we don't really want. yada yada yada. Like try to pretend that I am exaggerating this. 3.) They will offer ONE clone of a selected black truncata seedling showing the best characteristics from an in vitro specimen and when they grow up, we again don't have it because of label errors, mismanagement of explants or other instances where this valuable task has been undertaken from some lay person that shouldn't have been in charge to begin with. Back to the drawing board..... Maybe next year we'll offer the black truncata to you (after you purchasing stuff you really didn't want to begin with). You can bet one thing for sure, they might get a gold for the Chelsea Show! M Nice rant joel, when does the raving begin? Anybody want to buy some sibuyanensis x hamata? I have 4 available! That jacquilineae is tempting. what's the chance of it being a red one?
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Post by nepsaroundthehouse on May 22, 2009 4:10:55 GMT -10
Tony at Exotic Plants Plus brought in some N. veitchii Bareo highlands from Malesiana Tropicals. They appear to be very nice and fairly large. Veitchiis are scarce, especially larger ones so it's nice to see some available. Also, Malesiana may be putting more emphasis on their Nepenthes line that has been dormant for a while now. The ol' burbidgeae x edwardsianas are beginning to show up now so that's good news.
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Post by nepsaroundthehouse on Jun 30, 2009 14:01:09 GMT -10
Looks like BE has ampullaria X sibuyanensis as a new offering from tc. So far Tony has a few listed for preordering. BE lists it is an intermediate. Also, Tony has some glandulifera X ? listed from Malesiana Tropicals as well. Just something new to toss into the Nepenthes community.
J
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Post by rainforest on Jul 23, 2009 7:57:13 GMT -10
I find it very odd that more and more growers are copy-catting EP in the quest for making hybrids. I agree that EP are true pioneers of nepenthes breeding, but why are so many "propagators for survival-species" all of a sudden growing hybrids? I think they're gauging the wrong message that EP's success in sales is due to the public wanting hybrids over species. I believe that EP is successful because it is their generosity of growing easy-to-reestablish plants with decent plant size and the extra bonus plants that make them MORE desirable over their competitors. I have never purchased a microchip size plant from EP. Their "small" seedlings usually look crowded in a four inch pot. When could you say that about any of the other sellers? If EP started to sell seed grown species for sale, I bet the other guys would lose a lot of business. Imagine purchasing a small N. hamata from them with good sized pitchers and maybe possible select clones of bigger teeth, darker pitchers, etc. We can dream until that time right?
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Post by obregon562 on Jul 23, 2009 12:13:16 GMT -10
i would make a sizeable bet that Geoff and Andrea will start to produce select and gorgeous forms of pure species in the future. That is the only part of the nep community they havent conquered, and god knows they can do it better. If/when they do, the Nep world would be their oyster!
*dreams*
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Post by sdcarnivores on Jul 23, 2009 16:10:29 GMT -10
They've done it with veitchii, ventricosa, truncata, and other species (with GUSTO). Breeding species is just more difficult to do than putting together a hybrid. Their ventricosa lines are the best in the world, imo, and I know they are producing more species material as we speak.
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